Ep. 33 From Show Ring to Success: The Banks Brothers' Story

 Join Will and Wyatt Banks as they share their journey from the show ring to the classroom, reflecting on their time in 4-H and livestock judging at Kansas State University. In this episode, they dive into the skills they gained along the way, current trends in the beef market, and how their experiences have shaped their careers in the industry.

Central Kentucky Ag Credit: https://www.agcreditonline.com/ 

Wyatt Banks: https://4-h.ca.uky.edu/directory/wyatt-banks

Will Banks: https://www.facebook.com/will.banks.90663894

 

Transcript

[00:00:01.160] - Caleb Sadler
Welcome to Beyond Agriculture, the podcast that takes you beyond the scope of AG and into the real-life stories, conversations, and events taking place in our community. Who we are and what we do is Beyond Agriculture. Hello. Welcome in to Beyond Agriculture. Caleb Sadler back with you here today. I'm also joined with our marketing coordinator, Cassie Johnson. Hello, Cassie. How are you doing?

[00:00:34.270] - Cassie Johnson
Not too bad.

[00:00:35.750] - Caleb Sadler
Good. We're also joined with two special guests. I've had the privilege of knowing these guys for a long time. Actually, it predates my time here at Ag Credit, and I actually interned with extension down in Cynthiana in Harrison County. I'm joined today with Wyatt and Will Banks. Fellas, how are you all doing?

[00:00:54.580] - Wyatt Banks
Not too bad. How about yourself?

[00:00:55.840] - Caleb Sadler
Good. Doing good. Can't complain. It's not raining right now, so That's a good thing. Anyway, so tell you a little bit about what's been going on here at AG Credit the month of May here. We've just wrapped up with our beef month. We were down in Cynthiana or Harrison County the first Friday of May for their annual Beef Day. Montgomery County just wrapped up yesterday, I believe, and Bourbon was last week, and Madison was actually yesterday. In each of those counties for Beef Month and promoting beef with our borrowers and members across the association and our territory. Some upcoming events that we have on the radar coming up here still in May, we have our Clark County Ag Day, which I believe is where a whole bunch of third Riders go out to Brenan and Serena Gilkison's farm, and they learn all about AG that day. Then right around the corner here before long, we're going to have some county fairs start popping up, and I know we're going to talk about that a little bit here today as we go into it. That just tells you a little bit about what's going on within Ag Credit right now and what we've been doing.

[00:02:06.700] - Caleb Sadler
It has been busy, that's for sure. I guess we'll go ahead and get started with you guys. Wyatt, I'll let you go first. How about you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself and introduce yourself to them?

[00:02:18.220] - Wyatt Banks
Age before beauty, I see.

[00:02:20.050] - Caleb Sadler
Yeah, that's right.

[00:02:20.750] - Wyatt Banks
All right. My name is Wyatt Banks. Usually, anytime anybody has interviewed me the past couple of years, it's been I'm a senior at Kansas State University. Now, I am actually the long, drawn out title is I'm the Associate Senior for 4-H Youth Livestock programs at the Kentucky State 4-H office. They're based in Lexington. My main job is to oversee all the competitive youth livestock contest as well as some educational clinics and the output of certain information that pertains to Skillathon, Quiz Bowl, and Livestock Judging. Then a big chunk of my job is actually traveling with the Kentucky State 4-H team. They all fall all the way through Louisville. The weekend after the State Fair and even some duration during the State Fair, we'll try to work out with those kids every weekend all the way through about November 19th and 20th. Growing up, you already mentioned, it is weird. I don't know who probably feels older now with that statement, considering- I can tell you that's me.

[00:03:21.790] - Caleb Sadler
There's no doubt with that, because I remember those days of 4-H. I think we were building bird houses. I specifically remember That's been a long time ago.

[00:03:32.230] - Wyatt Banks
Well, somebody asked me the other day. I'll make you feel better. Somebody asked me the other day for a letter of recommendation, so I've reached a different level of adulthood.

[00:03:38.800] - Caleb Sadler
That's right. That's exactly right.

[00:03:42.680] - Wyatt Banks
But grew up there in Harrison County. Cynthiana had the opportunity to be involved very heavily in 4-H. Cassie and I were talking before the show. I think Mike Meyer had us involved in everything, from woodworking and electric to livestock, team leadership. Robotics and quiz bowl, Livestock Quiz Bowl, actually wasn't around, really taken off at that time. But if it had been around, we would have definitely been involved with it. My mom would have lost even more hair dealing with Mike. But no, we were really, really blessed and very well-rounded and had the opportunity to meet people both in and out of the Ag sphere and build some connections and just grow up like all American kids should. The State 4-H Livestock Judging team, Steve Austin, back when he was the coach here in the State, Will was actually a member of the National Champion team there in 2020 before the dreaded C-word came in. But he was the one that really got us exposed to livestock judging at a really different level. There was a lot of people that were stepping stones to that point. Steve got us to the collegiate level, and I had the privilege of going to Lincoln Land Community College for two years, judging there for Mr. Craig Beckmier, transferring to Kansas State University, and got to judge for Chris Mullinix.

[00:04:57.730] - Wyatt Banks
Then the privilege of being an assistant coach during my master's there, getting my master's in nutritional physiology and being an assistant coach for the judging team. Got to coach my brother and be a part of the last team that Chris got to coach at K-State.

[00:05:12.510] - Caleb Sadler
You didn't take it too hard on him, did you? No. Will, I'll ask you. He wasn't too hard on you, was he?

[00:05:17.200] - Will Banks
There were days that probably we could have had a knock-down drag out or two.

[00:05:22.020] - Caleb Sadler
Hey, that's just brotherly love is what that is. I got two older brothers myself on that side of it. That's awesome. Talk a little bit about… I know you've talked some of the programs that you're involved in, but what's a day-to-day look like and what you do right now?

[00:05:41.230] - Wyatt Banks
That's a hilarious question. Not a single day, in my opinion, is very similar. I think I do something different just about every day. Building connections and networking with stakeholders and donors is something that I've been doing quite a bit lately trying to get some sponsorship and some really cool things coming down the pipe as far as the state 4-H Livestock Judging team goes. I've done everything, working with people in the office from collaborating and making and designing a new brand and logo for the Livestock program to putting together classes, putting together talks and resources. I actually did have the privilege of speaking with the Bourbon County 4-H group there back before the first of the year or right around the first of the year. An awesome group of kids. That's one of my It's one of the favorite things I get to do because you get to see the light bulb go off and those kids come in and they don't necessarily know what this dude's going to say. Then at the end of it, they're asking questions and they're lighting up. I actually had one family go home and said after the meeting, they came back and they were walking their goats in the yard, and one of them was pretending to be the judge.

[00:06:49.900] - Wyatt Banks
I thought that was one of the coolest things that anybody had ever told me.

[00:06:54.710] - Caleb Sadler
I remember those days because you say something like that, and it brings back memories. I grew up showing cattle, too. I know you all probably did the same thing. I mean, that's every livestock kid. That was awesome. You do that a lot. If you were involved in sports, it's like you're in the ninth-inning pitching in the game. That's what you're trying to practice for. So no, I get that.

[00:07:17.320] - Wyatt Banks
Now, the falls are pretty structured. If I'm not booking hotel rooms and making those travel things, you never realize. I took for granted being an assistant coach, Just exactly probably what a head coach does, booking the hotel rooms and all the logistical things on the backside, making sure that your route actually makes sense. And then you throw in risk management stuff on top of all that, and that throws a whole another loop in there. But Getting to do those things, it actually gives me the opportunity to say, Okay, well, I've never been here. Maybe I can loop that in there, and these kids can visit this place, and lining up workouts. Then on the weekends, well, during the week, I'm also revising For reasons, usually. I'll have the kids type up sets and send them to me, and I'll go through things and say, All right, we could be a little shorter or more concise here, or what exactly did you mean by that? Because I'm on the same page and I'm following you, but are you going to be able to understand that just by yourself? Or if you're talking to somebody that's done this for a living, can they understand what you're saying?

[00:08:20.070] - Wyatt Banks
Then the weekends are swamped, and we start about 7: 30 in the morning, and we probably don't go. There was one time during top 12 week last year, we had a kid walk out the door, given sets of reasons at about 12: 30. Oh, wow. It just- It drives a tight ship is what I can see.

[00:08:35.260] - Caleb Sadler
Yes. Will, any insight to that?

[00:08:38.360] - Will Banks
It's a unique privilege, obviously, to be coached by your older brother in college But like I said, there were definitely times where that tight ship and that structure that's a little different to my personality definitely made my blood boil just a time or two.

[00:08:58.050] - Wyatt Banks
Now, we had a rule. When we were playing Little League Base, mom made the rule, whatever happened at the ballpark stayed at the ballpark.

[00:09:03.420] - Caleb Sadler
That's right.

[00:09:03.860] - Wyatt Banks
We applied the same thing in the judging van, and I let the head coach is the head coach for a reason, and I was seen but not heard multiple times. I tried to stay out of the way and let him do his own thing. It was important for me to have my own personality and for Will to have his own as well.

[00:09:20.260] - Caleb Sadler
That's perfect. I'll ask both of you this because you've both been involved in 4-H and grew up in it your entire life. What do you all think the biggest benefits of being involved in 4-H events like this?

[00:09:33.240] - Wyatt Banks
I'll let Will start with that one.

[00:09:34.850] - Will Banks
I guess probably the biggest thing, in my opinion, is, and I think it doesn't matter what age group employers are, whether they're 30s and 40s or their 60s and 70s, I think kids that have 4-H on a resume and 4-H events on a resume have historically just been known for work ethic, trustworthiness, and just the ability to have a conversation like what we're having right now. Leadership skills, obviously, I think, are a huge thing in any workforce. I think that 4-H definitely gives you the opportunity to do that. Then from another standpoint, you just build lifelong friendships. There were kids that I grew up judged against. Actually, a funny story, not to get too off topic, but Casey Johnson and I grew up and we hated each other. I don't know why we always showed hogs against each other, or we showed cattle against each other, or we judged against each other. We just never liked each other. Then, as Wyatt had mentioned earlier, in 2019, him and I both were on that national champion 4-H team, became really good friends through that. Him and I were roommates at Hutchinson Community College where we went to school.

[00:10:51.950] - Will Banks
Then he's actually going to be a groom in my wedding. All you young 4-Hers out there that have a rival, you just never know they might in your wedding one day.

[00:11:01.440] - Caleb Sadler
Keep that in mind. Yeah, that's exactly right. What's your opinion?

[00:11:06.160] - Wyatt Banks
I would piggyback a lot of the things that Will said there. A deeper level, I don't know why, there's a maturity thing that I just see different. The responsibility. I had a young lady last fall that traveled with me, and at the beginning of the fall, you would have probably thought that her maturity wasn't where it needed to be for her age. Just to see them blossom and into an incredible young person. They go from a kid to a young adult almost overnight there throughout that process. You look up and it's like, wow, the way they hold themselves, the way they talk. Like Will said, being able to look somebody in the eye and have a conversation, I get so tired sometimes, and we're guilty of it, too. When we were kids and we first got phones, even though I didn't get one, now kids get them in when they're in kindergarten. I didn't get one until I was a freshman in high school. Being able to go down the van and talk about things, I love the fact that kids get to see the way different operations run. I told people multiple times things in college that maybe I took for granted when it became more of a competitive thing.

[00:12:10.640] - Wyatt Banks
Not that competition is bad at all, but you get in this groove and in this lull of just grinding all the time. And you think one day you wake up and it's all over. Your collegiate career is over. And now I'm coaching these kids and I'm seeing... I remember when I was getting started into it, Wow, look at the landscaping around this place, or, Wow, I remember a kid this fall, my grandfather's got that same tractor back in his barn. Or they thought it was cool that my grandfather had two little mini-trucks driving around on the farm. That was the coolest thing in the world. But I think that those things are important. Communication, but just leadership, like what Will talked about. There's a lot of things that go on, but the things, in my opinion, that also take it a step further are we're teaching kids something that is almost a lost art in a lot of ways. When you're talking about a breeding scenario or something at a contest, there's somebody's program out there that has something to do with it. It's not just an epiphany out of midair. That's Hoffman Ranch out in Nebraska, or that's Rock & Pea livestock here in central Kentucky, or a hog operation.

[00:13:22.030] - Wyatt Banks
It's real stuff that's happening. Getting those kids exposed to that and immersing them in the industry, I think that's huge.

[00:13:29.890] - Caleb Sadler
I Looking back at it on my side, too, because I was in 4-H as well, I was a member of the State 4-H Judging Team, Judging College as well, same way. I guess where I look at it, too, and what I would say was important that I took away from that was it started my networking area because I built a lot of connections through 4-H and lifestyle judging and things like that. Those are still people that I call on or I talk to regularly in the career that I do right now. Just a great program all around to be involved in. I guess we'll streamline that into my next question for you is, and I know what I would say to this one because it has changed a bunch, but what do you see the difference in the number of youth involved in these type of events today versus what they were, say, 10 years ago?

[00:14:23.670] - Wyatt Banks
I can start on that one since this is probably a little bit further into my wheelhouse. Will, you can add on here at the end of this if you wish. But let's address the elephant in the room. There's less kids doing it. That's just the bottom line. It's not necessarily because it's still not... We just discussed all the benefits. If you had just heard that part of this podcast, podcast, and you walked into a room and you said this person had all those abilities, you'd probably hire them on the spot here.

[00:14:51.330] - Caleb Sadler
Oh, yeah. There's no doubt with it.

[00:14:52.740] - Wyatt Banks
But the thing is, and Cassie, we were talking about this before, there are so many things that kids get involved in. We're getting ready to unveil some of the things that we're doing in 4-H for 2026, and I haven't even had my 2025 state 4-H judging contest yet. Oh, wow. There's so many options for kids to get involved in, and there's so many things. It just depends on the aggressiveness of the organization and how well we can recruit those kids, or maybe recruit is not the proper word. Encourage. Encourage, yeah. Entice those kids to be involved in it. I remember part of the reason that this has changed, I I think in this part of the world, specifically, is there's sometimes a little delay in information that hasn't made its way this east of Mississippi. It's not because we don't have the bright minds or the bright people or the right livestock producers. It's just that little bit delay, Okay, we've done it this way. Those are things that I think sometimes get us, no matter if you're raising livestock or learning how to sow, those are things that can get in the way of that transmission of knowledge.

[00:16:00.360] - Wyatt Banks
I do think that the kids that are involved in it, though, I will say this, too, and I'm not just putting in a plug for 4-H here. Participation in last year's state 4-H judging contest compared to registration for this year's state 4-H judging contest is up 16%.

[00:16:17.440] - Caleb Sadler
Oh, wow.

[00:16:18.270] - Wyatt Banks
My goal was 5% increase in each contest the first year. Livestock Quiz Bowl, and there's a lot of overlap between those kids and Skillathon kids. Cassie was down there for the Skillathon portion of the state contest. I put those on the same weekend for the agent's sake and the parents' sake and the kids' sake, because I know that those kids are of a lot of similar interests with that. We went from having four or five teams total in the Quiz Bowl competition, from what I've been told in the past, to 20 teams.

[00:16:45.960] - Caleb Sadler
Oh, wow.

[00:16:46.350] - Wyatt Banks
That's awesome. A steady 3% increase there in the participation in the Skillathon contest. I do think that there's room for it to grow. I think with programs like 4-H and with the support of donors, I like Ag Credit and a lot of other people in the United States that you see those kids getting more interested. There's almost like a... It's not a trend. I don't want to say it's a trend because things go out of style. But it's a movement back to kids wanting to know, Hey, Why is it important to understand the difference between quality and yield grade? Why is it important for me to understand breeding confirmation and breeding soundness in an animal? Why do I need to be even updated on industry topics, even if I don't raise livestock? It allows them that knowledge and that firsthand ability to bridge the gap between producer and consumer.

[00:17:35.360] - Caleb Sadler
Yeah, and I would say that's going to be an excellent streamline in, too. I know that we got you to introduce yourself there before, and I know that you've already pitched in a little bit here, too, Will, and probably should introduce you beforehand. But we wanted to break it up a little bit because what Wyatt just said is going to streamline straight into what we're going to talk with you about, and why it's still going to be here joining with us as well. But Will, introduce yourself to our listeners. Tell us a little bit about yourself and what you do right now.

[00:18:03.610] - Will Banks
Absolutely. Well, Caleb and Cassie, thank you guys for having us on. It's a great honor. As mentioned earlier, my name is Will Banks. I'm the younger brother of Wyatt. Him and I, obviously, have grown up together and have got a lot of neat stories, and I hope none of those come out at the wedding when he gives my best man's speech.

[00:18:27.450] - Caleb Sadler
That does happen. I'll just tell you.

[00:18:29.420] - Will Banks
Well, No, don't worry. He's got to get married at some point, too. Whatever he does, I can bring the fire back twice as bad. But obviously, Wyatt and I grew up with very similar backgrounds. We were both heavily involved in 4-H. Both of us grew up helping out on our family's commercial cow-calf and red-angle seed stock operation. Alongside of that, we also got to work alongside our grandfather when school permitted, or maybe when we just told mom we didn't feel good and wanted to go dump buckets. When my grandfather preconditioned a lot of feed or cattle growing up as well. I was a graduate in the fun 2020 year, so COVID ruined everything for us. I graduated from Marist County. It turned out and went to Hutchinson Community College out in Hutchinson, Kansas. I loved Kansas so much that I just went ahead and transferred to Kansas State. I was there the past two years, and I got the chance to graduate last May. Alongside of that, when I was out in Kansas, I met my beautiful now fiancée, and her and I are going to be getting married in August. Super excited for that, obviously.

[00:19:45.000] - Will Banks
Well, congratulations. Thank you. I appreciate it.

[00:19:47.910] - Caleb Sadler
That'll be here before you know it.

[00:19:49.750] - Will Banks
It's coming down the line. That's coming up. Then I guess Job position-wise, when I graduated from Kansas State, I got the opportunity in June to go and work for Bluegrass Stock yards. Okay.

[00:20:09.940] - Caleb Sadler
All right. Now, what do you do with Bluegrass Stock yards, specifically?

[00:20:13.630] - Will Banks
It's similar Well, I don't know why it said, I don't know that my day-to-day is similar any day of the week. I guess my job position or title is Risk Mitigation Coordinator. I handle some just with workplace Safety, some of the insurance, the liability things that we deal with on a day-to-day there. Then past that, things can get really fun most days. Sometimes I'm just the guy that if we just need to fill a hole somewhere, I can run and do that. I get to enjoy running around our seven different markets that we've got. I've had a really fun time over the course of the last year.

[00:20:56.170] - Caleb Sadler
That's awesome. Outside of your job at Bluegrass Stock yards, tell us a little bit about some of the other organizations you're involved with, I think, specifically the Red Angus Association. Tell us a little bit about that stuff, too.

[00:21:08.660] - Will Banks
Absolutely. Another thing, I guess last May, I… It's like going to- May was a busy month for you last May.

[00:21:15.260] - Caleb Sadler
I know.

[00:21:15.700] - Will Banks
I come home, I graduated, and it's like when you walk up to the buffet line and you see all this great food that's on the buffet line and you just fill your plate as high as you can. Well, I done that last summer. The Kentucky, Tennessee, Red Angus Association was going through a transition period where we were doing our yearly officer elections. Obviously, I had been gone out of state for the last four years, hadn't really been involved within our state association. I was nominated to be the President of the Kentucky, Tennessee Red Angus Association. We have since then, I guess, I may be jumping the gun here, but we've gotten the opportunity to be involved in some things. The North American Junior Red Angus event was in Louisville last summer. They invited me actually to come and give an opening ceremony speech, and we had a great representation from our state. Multiple youth also went out to the Red Angus Youth Expo that was out in Oklahoma last year. The quality of cattle that we're seeing, our beef expo was very nice, and the kids are doing a really good job there. I guess coming up as well, we are having a sale Wednesday, May the 21st, hosted by SC to do some fundraising.

[00:22:36.690] - Will Banks
We'll have some different semen, genetic lots, things of that nature. My fiancée also, I guess, forgot to mention is a silversmith. She's donated a piece, and then a couple other different things just to raise money for our association to give back to the youth and try to get them more involved, because if we don't get them involved, the next generation, obviously, is very, very important. Alongside of that, too, I guess part of being involved at Bluegrass, one of the things, and a red Angus breeder, too, one of the things that we really, really were involved in or wanting to get involved in was just trying to find a better marketing outlet for red hide cattle or red Angus influence cattle. Jim Akers, my boss and I had talked probably from the first time I got in the truck and rode around with him until we finally come up with a plan. Actually in Albany, Kentucky, at our Albany this November, we're going to do Bluegrass's first Red Advantage Feeder Calf program, which where we're going to do it similar to our Herford graded influence sales, bring the cattle in, grade them, sort them, weigh them, and then turn around and sell them that night.

[00:23:48.790] - Will Banks
We're super excited about that. Hopefully, it'll be advantageous for whether you're trying to sell red Angus Bulls or you're buying red angus bulls or gelbvieh bulls or red semen tall bulls, and you're just trying to find a place to go with them or your calves aside. We're thinking that that's going to be a good deal.

[00:24:08.190] - Caleb Sadler
I know a lot of producers here in central Kentucky have gone to having their own special feeder calf sale. That's just another tool in a toolbox for somebody that's buying bulls from you all, things like that, to have an outlet for those calves to go to. I think that's an excellent marketing tool. I'll ask this question for both of you. I know when you were growing up, you showed Red Angus cattle and things like that. How did you become to be involved with Red Angus, or how did you settle on Red Angus?

[00:24:35.380] - Wyatt Banks
You're wearing the hat.

[00:24:37.500] - Will Banks
I'm surprised anybody can read the lettering on it. I guess probably, initially, what happened was on the commercial cows, pop had been purchasing red Angus Bulls from the Blue Ridge program, which was over in Carlyle in Illinois for many years. The Bulls that we were getting off of them, they shed out well. Heat tolerance was really good on them. Obviously, no offense to the the black contemporaries, but when it's 100 degrees outside and the black cows are in the shade, the red ones are out grazing and getting fat.

[00:25:15.600] - Caleb Sadler
I can't say anything on that. I've got the black ones, and I grew up with those. It's three to one. I know.

[00:25:23.450] - Will Banks
I like our odds.

[00:25:25.760] - Caleb Sadler
Yeah, no, there's no doubt. Hey, the big thing is, it's still got the last That's the last word of it, and that's Angus.

[00:25:31.770] - Will Banks
That's exactly right. I guess that ended up purchasing some of our first cows. They're from the Blue Ridge program, Chad Dauhery, a good friend of ours, and it was the herdsman at the time, got us plugged in with them. Then it turned into, I guess, a big addiction of red cows running around.

[00:25:52.710] - Caleb Sadler
That's the way it normally goes. I'll tell my scenario of how I got started in the Angus business is basically we We had goats growing up, so if you were wondering. Then we ended up selling those goats and we started showing cattle. When we first started showing cattle, my parents didn't want us competing against each other. I started out with limousine cattle. My brother, Vernon, started out with Angus cattle, and my oldest brother started out with Key Angus. Well, fast forward, we went to a Junior National's, an Angus Junior National's in Kansas City, Missouri. Long story short, I didn't get to take anything because I didn't have Angus cattle at the time. Well, needless to say, I came back and I was done showing limousine cattle, and I picked up showing Angus cattle at that point in time. And so that's all we had from then on out.

[00:26:38.730] - Wyatt Banks
Now, if I remember this correctly, and this shows, again, when you're a livestock nerd, these are the things that you pay attention to when the intern comes to town, you get the background scoop. Before you came, I think the summer before, didn't you do something with the Bread & Own show, the National Junior Angus show? Didn't you guys have a pretty good run there?

[00:26:58.630] - Caleb Sadler
I don't Well, you had a bull. Yeah, actually, I take that back. We did have a bull that was pretty decent back in the day. That's putting some A. I have to think back on that. There's been several since then.

[00:27:09.220] - Will Banks
It's funny that he brought that up because at the Harrison County Fair, I remember one year, I think it was a bull.

[00:27:13.680] - Caleb Sadler
A little bull calf and a heifer.

[00:27:15.060] - Will Banks
A blue-chip heifer and a blue-chip bull. And and I both were like, Boy, those things are really nice.

[00:27:20.110] - Caleb Sadler
Yeah, that may be a bad source subject. So right after that county fair in Harrison County, we were getting ready to go to state fair two weeks before, and we came home and I ended up losing that heifer, and it was probably the best heifer I ever raised. And it was a full-sib to one, and I know exactly what you're talking about now. I raised the heifer that was a roll of victory points heifer. She was, I think, nationally, maybe. She won the Fertility Show and things like that. That's been a long time ago. See, we remember. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's very impressive. Yeah, I still have some genetics of that and still have some eggs in the tank. That goes back a long time ago. I'll never forget this, though. I'll tell you all this as well, because I was sitting at State Fair, and she was a big heifer at the time. She was a bread. I was fitting her for the guy that bought her, and they were getting ready to show at State Fair, and I had a gentleman come up to me. It was very instrumental in the Angus business in the State of Kentucky.

[00:28:21.140] - Caleb Sadler
He looked at me and he goes, Just so you know, he said, In the future, those are the ones you keep, and you don't sell those right there. I said, To this day, Hey, those are the words that stick in my mind. I never should have sold that ever. I've actually bought some stock back out of her, too. So that was the good thing.

[00:28:37.130] - Wyatt Banks
We're notorious female hoarders. We understand it's tough. Having that first sale this fall or spring, I mean, some fall born. We just got to the point where we can finally convince pop, and he's like, We could probably let some of these go. Yeah, that's exactly right. Let somebody else enjoy the love a little bit. But no.

[00:28:55.020] - Caleb Sadler
No. It's still today influences. I still have some of that stuff.

[00:29:00.630] - Cassie Johnson
I'm going to go on a story on about that. So whenever we used to sell Red Angus in our sale, and I would keep half embryo interest. And Ramsey, my husband, would always be like, Will you stop keeping half embryo interest in all of these animals? I am so tired of us trying to keep track of it. So our next, we had a spring sale, fall born. I sell 100% of everything in there, and he never even paid attention.

[00:29:29.640] - Wyatt Banks
And it was Becca. Stoneys Becca cow?

[00:29:31.700] - Cassie Johnson
Stoney's Becca cow. Yeah. And he goes, Why in the world didn't you keep have interest in her? Because you kept telling me to stop.

[00:29:39.680] - Wyatt Banks
And she went on to win everything.

[00:29:41.380] - Cassie Johnson
She went on to win every dang show, and she's still producing some of those top dollar ones. So, yeah, you never know.

[00:29:48.360] - Caleb Sadler
No, you never do know. So that's exactly right.

[00:29:51.750] - Wyatt Banks
The first time I called Cassie, I was a kid. I was a wee lad, and this was a big deal for me. I don't know if you remember this. Probably not. Because to us, like I said, we got the background scoop on the interns, and we're following the pulse that came out when we were kids. And pop always gave us a hard time. Always looking at the pulse. He's like, You got to know what real cows look like. So I was like, All right. So we tapered it back a little bit, but I was getting ready. So I was going to be 15, I think, or 14. It was right around Christmas for my birthday, and I'd asked for, I think, some young gun semen or Rockstar. And I called and I said, how's Bo Jangles? I said, how's his feet? And you were like, he's got big black feet. I came back and I told Papa, I was like, All right, here's what she said. I still remember this conversation to this day on how it went, and I'm pretty sure it was Bo Jangles, and I asked about young gun, too. I ended up actually getting some of that semen for my birthday, and we flushed cow to it.

[00:30:44.320] - Caleb Sadler
There you go.

[00:30:45.120] - Cassie Johnson
Hey, you can't complain. Hope I didn't lie.

[00:30:47.230] - Wyatt Banks
I hope it turned out good. Well, we put four embryos in, three heifers and a bull, and I wanted three heifers and a bull.

[00:30:51.740] - Caleb Sadler
You can't complain with that. No. The first time we ever did that, it worked out very similar. Then we went to do it the next time. It did not turn out very well. That beginner's luck. The first time is always the best time is what I figured out with that. We'll continue on a little bit now that we've gotten sidetracked and talked a little bit. Tell us a little bit about Will. I mean, right now, we're in cattle country here in central Kentucky Obviously. Tell us a little bit about the markets right now.

[00:31:19.690] - Will Banks
Historic, I guess, is the best way to put it. I don't care whether you're putting them in the saw dust in Kentucky or in South Dakota or Texas. They're high, and there's no doubt about that. I guess the farmer is driving the bus right now, and they're having the opportunity to really cash in on, like I said, record high cattle prices.

[00:31:42.650] - Caleb Sadler
Yeah, and I think that's across the board. I mean, cull prices, Bull prices, any of that stuff. I mean, it's just astronomical right now. Now, I know last week there was some news came out from USDA. Secretary Rollins put out about the New World Screw Worm, and they put a ban on any import of cattle out of Mexico. That next day, the only reason that the cattle market was up basically the limit that day, and that's the first time I've ever seen it in my life, closed over three bucks. That's just unbelievable. Prefaces where we're at in the market right now.

[00:32:20.000] - Will Banks
It's unreal. We was talking about it earlier yesterday at our yards in Campbellsville. We had a set of steers that weighed 912, a load of them, about 55,000 pounds, if I remember, and they bring 303, which is… I went home and told my grandfather that, and he's been in the cattle business for more than 50 years. He didn't know what to say. I mean, it's unreal. Guys that were buying 2,500 bulls two years ago or turning around and selling them for 4,000 by the pound, dollar and out by the pound right now.

[00:32:59.890] - Caleb Sadler
That's what I was going to say. I sell a few bulls. Everybody here sells a few bulls here and there. When somebody's coming to buy them, prices are quite a bit higher than what they were two or three years ago. That's only because you can practically get the same amount of money at the stock yard. Absolutely. I'll ask this, too, and both of you can chip in here. What do you all see the biggest challenge for cattle producers over the next 5-10 years? Where do you think this thing will go?

[00:33:28.410] - Wyatt Banks
Market analyst, I'll let tee off. I'll back clean up.

[00:33:31.560] - Will Banks
I guess for me, probably the biggest challenge, we've got at some point to just get smart and repopulate the cattle herd, but do it the right way. To me, we're seeing a lot of… Everybody's got to do it different ways, and everyone's got to do things that are going to fit their program. But we're seeing a lot of heifers being sent to market. I guess the opportunity cost of selling that heifer and keeping that cow that maybe you should have sold last year, I don't know. But I feel like as that cow just continues to get older, if we have the opportunity to keep a heifer back to replace her, I feel like that that would be a better start because the problem that I feel like that we're seeing right now alongside of that is where we're also, you talked about across the board, prices and things of that nature. Cows. Trying to buy replacement cattle right now will cost you an arm and leg. Cows and calves pairs are bringing 3,500 to 4,000. And again, it doesn't matter where you are. Cassie and I talked about it. When cows were $1,500, nobody wanted them.

[00:34:45.200] - Will Banks
Yeah, that's exactly right. I guess to me, it just makes sense that we've got to start keeping more heifers back, take advantage of the fact that cull cows are bringing what they're bringing. That cow that just not doing her job, but she got a really nice heifer calf out of her one last time. There's nothing wrong with keeping that heifer and seeing mom go. I know that there's a developmental- Delay there. Yeah, an input cost. But again, I feel like if that cow, if you don't sell her or her bag goes bad or she doesn't breed back or whatnot, well, then you just sold her last heifer calf, and now I think you're going to have a hard time replacing her.

[00:35:25.460] - Caleb Sadler
Now, what I see on this side of it, sitting on the other side of the desk, too, from a loan officer standpoint, we're seeing a lot of producers that may be transitioning out of cow-calf production right now. They sold out of all their cows, and they're going to less of a management structure, whether that be running cattle on the gain or background and get their own cattle. They don't have to work during… I mean, they don't have that cow to go out there and feed during the wintertime. You put that calf on grass, he's gone to town in November, and you get three months of offseason there. I think we see a fair amount of that in our transition right now. I think we've got to figure out a way to get these young people back and buying cow-calf prayers back and really putting the factory back to work on the cow side.

[00:36:13.130] - Wyatt Banks
I think something that we struggle with… I mean, we move back and we've got jobs, full-time jobs, and the commitment to it. We're very blessed to have a family that's immersed in it and pop does an incredible job doing way more of the day-to-day stuff that we wish we could be a part of. But young people, you put the emphasis on young people. I feel like, and Will and I have had this conversation multiple times, we want everything. It was the same way 100 years ago. You want everything right now, and you see the money right now. But that money may not be enough two years from now, three years from now. That money doesn't make you money if you're not using it the right way. The cow is always going to produce a calf if you're managing her right. If a The cow pays for herself, that's an effective operating plan. Until that starts to go south, and Will talks about with Cole, she's got bad feet, she's got a bad bag, she won't breed back, she's late in the calving window. Whatever that's going to be, There's things there that you have to take into consideration before you make the decision, Hey, I've really had fun with the cows, but now it's time for me to sell out and see what I can do with all this other money and play around.

[00:37:25.120] - Wyatt Banks
I get it. There's people that probably, if you want to be done with it, that's That's one thing. But the cattle business, I think what's always made it different than all the other species. And again, I'm not trying to hog the mic here, but vertical integration has avoided the cattle business for so long. And that's been a long... Will and I have had this conversation in deep thought with multiple of our classmates. We've got a couple of them that are very involved in the feeding cattle side of things. I interned at National Beef when I was in college and had the privilege to see the back side of things, from going from a cow-calf to the packer and the feed lot side of stuff. But what makes the cattle business so unique is that we still have the luxury of selecting the cattle we want. Mark Garner is not producing the same cattle maybe as Caleb Sadler or Walk & W or smoking gun. The preference of that, that's a reason that we still have breed shows, even in our national shows. Everybody talks about the fact that there's such this broad gap between show and real industry, and to an extent, there's some differences.

[00:38:26.940] - Wyatt Banks
But somebody we raise cattle with, the only The difference between a show animal and a pasture animal should be a bath. The reason that we can still have legitimate breed shows is because we have stuck to our guns and bred red Angus for Charolais or Angus cattle.

[00:38:43.040] - Caleb Sadler
Yeah, and I like how you just worded that, the difference between a show animal and a pasture animal is a bath. I like that because ultimately, when you're showing cattle, ultimately, that's what the goal is, is those calves have still got to go out there and be in production, and they got to raise calves and things like that. That's how I always thought about it, too, whenever we were in the business of showing cattle, and they had to be functional, and that's the thing about it.

[00:39:10.970] - Wyatt Banks
But we can still own part of the market. The small guy, the little guy can still own part of the market share in the beef industry, whereas other industries, you don't have that luxury. No. It's definitely gone.

[00:39:20.920] - Caleb Sadler
That's exactly right. The beef industry is certainly not like Tyson or some of those other vertically integrated institutions. That's for sure. Well, as we wrap I want to go in and talk a little bit about you all grew up in the show ring showing livestock, and now you're on the other side of that, and you're still in the ring judging livestock. Tell us a little bit about that transition. What do you all like to see on that side from a judge now versus what you learn as a kid showing?

[00:39:52.040] - Wyatt Banks
See, I think everybody looks at me as the judge because of my position and whatnot, and I enjoy evaluating shows. It is something that I still live for. But I'm actually going to let Will go ahead and lead the charge on this and hear his perspective.

[00:40:06.520] - Will Banks
I always- He's always getting put on the spot.

[00:40:08.340] - Wyatt Banks
No, no. I mean, everybody, they see me as a state 4-H judging coach, and sometimes the people that are behind the things and are the quieter ones. Maybe he's rode with me to more shows than anybody I ever rode in a judging van with. He's usually the one that I hash out things with afterwards. I love to get to watch him judge and evaluate. I learned just as much from him, coaching him in college as he coached me just as much.

[00:40:34.060] - Caleb Sadler
That's awesome. See, there you go. That's a true compliment right there.

[00:40:36.540] - Cassie Johnson
Your mama's going to be proud when she hears that.

[00:40:40.740] - Will Banks
Well, I mean, to credit, Wyatt, obviously, my mom has done a... This is not a bragging on Wyatt and I, but our mom has done a phenomenal job raising us, and she was very, very involved. But a credit to Wyatt because I guess probably the transition from my sophomore year at junior College to my junior year at K-State and trying to get back in the swing of judging because you get that fall semester off. It's not that I wasn't still thinking about judging, but it was like, well, you got done at Houston there your sophomore year, and it's like, well, where do you go from here? How much more is there? Having someone like Wyatt and Chris, too, that just pushed daily to be better, not because they wanted any credit for it, but just because they wanted to see somebody that was passionate about it, be successful, was super, super neat. Like I said, I'm appreciative It is cool that your older brother gets to coach you.

[00:41:48.060] - Caleb Sadler
No. I'll give my two cents, too. Cassie, you can pitch in here, too. When I grew up showing, I always really was very passionate about showmanship. Show and bread and own shows, because to me, that's where really all your hard work really paid off. Showmanship, it's not supposed to matter about what your animal looks like. It's how you present your animal to the judge on that day. I always took pride in that. I guess you could say on the flip side, now judging a few shows, I don't judge a near as much as I used to. Now, I just don't have the time, but I always was real passionate still about showmanship. I like to spend time with those kids because I always thought it was neat when a judge came up and asked me questions when I was growing up, I always thought, Well, that may spur them to venture outside of their box as a youth, and something they might not be comfortable with, but it makes them think on the spot. It really challenges them. I don't typically ask hard questions or anything, but I like talking to all the kids, and I'm very passionate about showmanship when I judge and when I showed.

[00:42:59.140] - Caleb Sadler
So, Cassie, what's your opinion?

[00:43:00.480] - Cassie Johnson
Oh, absolutely. But let's face it, all three of us, or four of us, came from families where we didn't have those high dollar animals, and we had to make our own animals to be able to compete and to show. It almost gives you a little bit more pride, and it makes you respect people a little bit more for what they accomplish on their own. Yeah, absolutely. I take all the time in the world for showmanship sometimes. Yeah.

[00:43:30.400] - Caleb Sadler
What do you all think that lifestyle judging has benefited you the most?

[00:43:36.530] - Wyatt Banks
That's a loaded question. I'll say this. This is going to get deep, but it probably just changed our life 100%. There's a lot of places where I could be and Will could have been. If it hadn't been for people like Kevin Farrell and Mike Meyer that got us involved at the county level, if it hadn't been for Steve Austin, Kane Austin, the whole Austin family at the state level, and then Craig Beckmier and Chris Mullinix, and a couple of others, Skyler Scott and Payton Domer, to name a few. If it hadn't been for those people that were genuinely invested in seeing you get better at something. People don't realize it. It's like being a part of a football team, a baseball team, an NCAA team at that level. It's intense.

[00:44:27.130] - Cassie Johnson
My dad played college football, and when I was on the Livestock Judging team at college, he said the Livestock Judging team worked out harder and more frequently than the football team ever did.

[00:44:41.780] - Wyatt Banks
Oh, yeah. I mean, there were times- That intense. We got in the van. I remember this. We were judging at San Antonio. I tell this story sometimes. Any time that we judged my junior year in Texas at a Texas contest, Houston, which would have been... We would have had Fortworth, but it was in Abilene that year. Then San Antonio, we never spent the night after the contest. We drove back to Manhattan every time after the contest. We left San Antonio, Texas, at eight o'clock, and we rolled in when the sun came up into Manhattan, Kansas the next morning, and kids got out of the van and went to class. I guess if we're going to circle back and me not get so long winded like I usually do. It gives you a structure, it gives you a discipline, it gives you networking, but it helps you find things about yourself that you didn't even know were there. For some people, judging, I've told a lot of people this, and people think that we've had a lot of success, and we've been very blessed in a lot of ways. There's sometimes where the sport needs the person more than the person needs the sport.

[00:45:41.630] - Wyatt Banks
I was one of those where I needed the sport more than it needed me. To have the privilege to be able to do that and get the exposure, I'm extremely blessed with a great family, and I have no doubt in my mind that my Lord and savior, Jesus Christ, had a definite hand in the route that both my brother and I took.

[00:46:04.070] - Caleb Sadler
As we wrap up, I'm going to get both of you all to answer a question or two questions for me. Will, I'll let you go first here. What experiences have you gained over the last 4-6 years going to school out West and lifestyle judging? Then basically, who's been the biggest influence on your life to this date?

[00:46:26.010] - Will Banks
Absolutely. I guess experience-wise, You don't have to search too hard on my transcript. Notice that I was a student that did not let school get in the way of my education. That's nothing to take away from the education I got at Kansas State because I feel very, very blessed and fortunate, and I had excellent professors. But if there was an opportunity to go clip or torch bulls, or there was an opportunity to go do ranch work, or there was an opportunity to just drive out in the country and look at battle, I was taking that opportunity because I knew that in my heart, I guess, Central Kentucky is home, and my family has been here for a long time, and I wanted to make sure that if there was a position and an opportunity for me to come back. Some of the experiences I made in and out of the classroom there could be brought back and put forth to our program here at home and to people here at home. I don't know. I don't have the words for it. I met some incredible people. I saw some beautiful country. I got to sit and have conversations that you just had to been there to listen to.

[00:47:44.010] - Will Banks
Stayed up late too many nights talking about why we were going to breed this cow this way. I don't know. I had a ball out there, and I don't know. I feel very blessed to just spent four years in Kansas, and I've got a couple of families out there that that's what they are. They're family. They become a lot more than just friends and acquaintances, but family. I guess a unique thing about it is everybody that was on my judging team at Kansas State was in my wedding is going to be in my wedding. They're all groom or ushers. Then my judging coach at Hutch is also one of the groomsmen in my wedding, too. I don't know. I don't have the words for it, but Kansas was pretty awesome, and the people was great. But like I said, I knew that the central Kentucky was home, and I knew that if I stayed out there, at least for now, that all the experiences that I made and the people that I met and the things that I learned, if I didn't bring that back and try to share it with people here, then I feel like that probably was a little selfish, I guess, in a way, because if there someone that wanted to help the next one in line with me, then I wouldn't be where I am.

[00:49:05.290] - Will Banks
I feel like that the opportunity to come back and share that with other people and just try to make a difference here in my home state was very, very important and a huge motivator for me.

[00:49:17.830] - Caleb Sadler
That's awesome. Now, I know he's in the room. I'm just kidding. But in terms of who was your biggest influence at that point in time and who you looked up to at that point?

[00:49:29.760] - Will Banks
I guess maybe as cliché as it might sound to some, I think we all should just look up to God and his son, Jesus Christ. Again, I don't have the words for it and the amount of grace that I've gotten through that relationship. But boy, it's just brought me so many blessings. I'm not saying life hasn't been hard a time or two. It absolutely has. But just knowing that he's there in my corner. It means a lot. Then I got a heck of a family behind me. My brother, obviously, him and I were both out in Kansas together at the same time. He was at K-State while I was at Hutch, and then he was at K-State when I transferred to K-State. My mom and my grandfather and my aunts and my uncles and grandmother, it's unbelievable the amount of support and trust and just love they just bestow upon us all the time. My coaches, Kane and Steve and Chris. Boy, they just, again, I guess probably maybe a... Why it might mention this, but they took a couple of chances on some kids from Kentucky and gave them a shot, and we were just happy that we could hopefully make them proud.

[00:50:50.100] - Will Banks
Then I guess last and not least, my fiancée Lindsay, she did not grow up what I would consider necessarily in a the same environment from a livestock background that Wyatt and I did. But there hasn't ever been a day where she has supported that dream and supported what I wanted to do. She did not judge in senior college, and I was actually gone the entire spring, basically, of my senior year, riding around with my community college assistant coaching there, and just very, very supportive of that. Like I said, it's the wrap up. My portion of the conversation is, I guess, it's people that make life so good. You could flip on the news and people are going to tell you how bad it is and how this sucks and that we need to be better at this and we need to be better at that. But in reality, I think if people would just give themselves a little more grace and realize that God is in control of everything and that when you can sit down and have conversations like what we've had today, I think the people are pretty dang good.

[00:51:58.680] - Caleb Sadler
Yeah, I would have to agree on that.

[00:52:00.870] - Cassie Johnson
So, Wyatt, how are you going to follow that?

[00:52:03.380] - Wyatt Banks
We're going to cut to commercial break there. We appreciate you guys for joining us here on the podcast, and we'll see you next… No, I'm just kidding. No, I do I'm going to circle back to one question on here that I see, and it leads into it. It's what advice do you have for youth that they're interested in judging but not sure if they can? I haven't told very many people this, but in the spring of my junior year, so that's when you're starting your senior college judging career. Cattlemen's Congress took the place of Denver that year. It was a hard contest, but I was wound so tight. I was so proud to be able to judge, but I didn't want to let anybody down. That's always big deal of mine. I don't want to let somebody down when I was coaching. I don't want to let the kids down. I still am that way. It was six people ran, like all the Texas contests, it's six, count five. I didn't count that day. I didn't count that day. When I was at the National 4-H Contest, when I judged for Steve Austin, I led the whole entire fall in regards to points.

[00:53:11.270] - Wyatt Banks
I got to the national contest, and I didn't count that day either. Oh, wow. I'm now in the position where I'm at, and a lot of people don't know that. Some people on this podcast are probably going to listen and say, Well, what in the world is that guy doing coaching my kids? For those of you that wonder if you can or can't do it, I always remember this. Chris had this plaque or this picture in his room, and it had a quote, Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right. Resilience is something that this definitely taught me. I just kept taking it on the chin, and I ended up getting to run at Louisville in Kansas City. I was in the top 10 at Kansas City, and I was in the top 10 in reasons in Louisville in both senior college and junior college. That was a big deal for me to just get my name called off because Louisville was not a great day either. I don't cry in public, and I bawled in my mom's arms before the senior college critique. But I'm serious. I'm praying during the judging banquet.

[00:54:14.090] - Wyatt Banks
Just please let me get my name called off one more time, and then it happened. I could be a little bit better about what the day was. But those experiences, everybody always talks about the positive stuff. I was writing a letter of recommendation for somebody. So many times we hype ourselves up, and it's good to be confident in yourself. But there's so many times where we don't... A letter of recommendation or an experience doesn't mean it was always good. Letter of rec, there's things that this person needs to improve. They need this opportunity for a different reason, Not just because they're the greatest thing since slice bread. Those experiences that Will and I had out in Kansas, when we went out there, when I was in Illinois, I got to work on a diversified livestock and grain operation. I got to learn about livestock families and be a part of a family. Where it was a classic K-State, where all we did was palpate cows, palpation lab. I bet I palpated 250 cows. Before that, believe it or not, Caleb, I'd never palpated but maybe one cow in my life. That was a huge confidence booster.

[00:55:14.560] - Wyatt Banks
The experiences and the knowledge and the things that you see. Will talked about it. There's a movie that nobody really watches, but it's called Good Old Boys, and it's got Tommy Lee Jones in it. He's a drifter. It's an old cheap cowboy movie. There's a line in it. This guy asked him, he's a big time rancher down in Texas, and he says, You've seen all that country, rode up Texas, Mexico, seen all the glaciers, whatever. How much of it do you own? And Hewey answers as calm as could be, Well, in a way, I own it all. I like to think that that's our story in a lot of ways, the people, the places. It gives me cold chills just thinking about all the things that I've gotten to do and experience that some people might not. What made me want to come back was what Will said. It would be selfish, and it was here or there. I'm not going to lie. When it was time for me to make that decision, it was either here or there. We love the Flint Hills. I always said, if you could put Kentucky grass in the Flint Hills, I would probably live there.

[00:56:14.730] - Wyatt Banks
But we're extremely blessed. You can talk about prime background in soccer country. This is where it's at. Best grass in the country. But I want kids to get to see the things that I saw because somewhere out there there's a kid that's just like me, that's fighting battles that we don't know about. There's a kid out there that's just dying for the knowledge to get to see certain things that may absolutely positively change their life in a way that they never thought possible. I felt like, like I said, we were successful growing up, and a lot of people thought that we had it made. There were things that this exercise and this organization, 4-H, the industry in general, absolutely absolutely brought us from our lowest point to a place where we could actually feel, wow, we're doing something, we've seen something, and we're going to be okay. To answer the second part of that question, the biggest influence, I agree with Will. Jesus Christ should always be at the forefront. I try to always make that a forefront. It's part of my coaching motto. I don't use God as a means of coaching. I Use God's word as a way to reach others' hearts and to motivate and to let them know again that they're all right.

[00:57:37.250] - Wyatt Banks
If there is a bigger purpose out there, one day I'm not going to be a judging coach. I'm just going to be Wyatt, and I've got to be okay with that, and I've got to be all right where my heart is. But my brother, a lot of people don't look up to their younger brother. There's times where I sit there and I like to just listen to him, and I like to see things that he does. Again, his eye for life Stock. I love the reasons portion. Will love just getting to look at him. He sometimes would bring me back. I was out on Mars, and he would bring me back to Earth. You're like, Hey, man, that's just a little far fetch. Do you think that you could maybe back that up just a little bit? But my mom, all of my coaches, like I said, it's a loaded question. Then our grandfather, I think of a lot of him just like Hewey Calloway in that movie, the Tommy Lee Jones character. He's seen a lot, and we're sitting here on a podcast, and we've enlightened the masses today. That gentleman has forgotten more things than I'll ever be able to remember.

[00:58:42.320] - Wyatt Banks
I'm not even going to act like an ag professional compared to him. But those kinds of people have always encouraged me. He always says, The day you stop learning is the day you're dead. You stop living at that point. I think that that's probably It's as important as anything with any of our family members, friends or whatnot. There's a hunger there, and there's a tenacity to want to get better and to make tomorrow than the day before.

[00:59:14.970] - Caleb Sadler
That's awesome, guys. I really do appreciate you all taking the time to sit down with us today. We've recorded a lengthy podcast for what we do on Beyond Agriculture. I apologize. But no, but I'm going to be honest. It's good content all the way through. On behalf of Beyond Agriculture, I want to thank you all for coming on and joining us today. We really appreciate what you all do, Will, from what's your side, the marketing side of Bluegrass Stock yards there, and Wyatt with the Kentucky 4-H Foundation, things like that, what you do there with the youth across the state of Kentucky as well. So thank you all for what you do. Thank you again for taking the time to come on. Cassie, thank you as well for joining me today. And be sure to go out and like, subscribe, and share to Beyond Agriculture.

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